Showing posts with label mst3k. Show all posts
Showing posts with label mst3k. Show all posts

19 March 2010

OLR: Mystery Science Theater 3000: "The Final Sacrifice" (1998)

I think I enjoy the bad movieness of it more than the riffing, which felt light. (7/10)

d. Tjardus Greidanus & Kevin Murphy

20 February 2010

OLR: Cinematic Titanic Live: "East Meets Watts" (2009)

I think I enjoyed this even more after having seen the Titans riffing live the previous day. (8/10)

d. Al Adamson & Sharp-Ford

OLR: Cinematic Titanic Live: "Samson and the Seven Miracles of the World" (2010)

I never was a huge fan of the Hercules movies from seasons 4 and 5 of MST3K, and this riffing falls right into line with those. (7/10)

d. Riccardo Freda

19 February 2010

OLR: Cinematic Titanic Live: "War of the Insects" (2010)

Despite the Royal Oak Music Theatre's awful sound and horrible seating -- and perhaps helped by the fact that the jokes were being created before my very eyes by the Titans themselves -- this was the absolute funniest Cinematic Titanic yet. (9/10)

d. Kazui Nihonmatsu

08 February 2010

OLR: Cinematic Titanic Live: "East Meets Watts" (2009)

It's about time the gang tackled a blaxploitation flick (I have mixed feelings about the audience laughter in this live disc: sometimes it enhanced the experience and sometimes it got in the way of the jokes). (8/10)

d. Al Adamson & Sharp-Ford

12 September 2009

OLR: Cinematic Titanic: "Blood of the Vampires" (2009)

I got more than a few hearty laughs out of this episode, despite the movie being one of the worst I've ever seen, so we'll call it a success. (7/10)

d. Gerardo de Leon & Sharp-Ford

23 June 2009

OLR: Cinematic Titanic: "Frankenstein's Castle of Freaks" (2009)

The riffing was a bit infrequent and geared towards references I didn't get for my taste (dig the call-back to MST3K 320). (6/10)

d. Dick Randall & Sharp-Ford

23 December 2008

OLR: Cinematic Titanic: "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" (2008)

The riffing doesn't really pick up until after Joel's shadow Christmas gifts, which is now my favorite shadow gag (from both shows). (7/10)

d. Nicholas Webster & Sharp-Ford

[watched the other one a little over two years ago, now]

21 December 2008

OLR: Cinematic Titanic: "Legacy of Blood" (2008)

Not as funny as previous releases, maybe because the movie's pretty dull. (6/10)

d. Carl Monson & Sharp-Ford

20 November 2008

OLR: Cinematic Titanic: "The Wasp Woman" (2008)

Just the ticket for after a stressful day at work (hey, a call-back to MST3K 110!). (8/10)

d. Roger Corman & Jack Hill & Sharp-Ford

17 August 2008

OLR: Mystery Science Theater 3000: "Outlaw" (1993)

Bad acting, scantily-clad women and robots cracking jokes ain't a bad way to spend 90 minutes. (8/10)

d. John "Bud" Cardos & Trace Beaulieu

26 June 2008

OLR: Cinematic Titanic: "Doomsday Machine" (2008)

A whole bunch of good riffing, two MST3k references ("It's like watching people watch Manos: The Hands of Fate," heh) and some actual CinTit story make for an enjoyable time. (8/10)

d. Harry Hope & Lee Sholem & Sharp-Ford

[Thanks, Trace! The surprise signed silhouette photo inside the DVD case made my day.]

18 March 2008

OLR: Cinematic Titanic: "The Oozing Skull" (2007)

Easily as funny as a strong MST3K episode; I'm greatly looking forward to more of these. (8/10)

d. Al Adamson & Sharp-Ford

[Joel: good to have you back, buddy!]

22 September 2007

OLR: Mystery Science Theater 3000: "Space Mutiny" (1997)

Other than the Roman host segments, this is the best that MST3K ever got. (8/10)

d. David Winters & Neal Sundstrom & Kevin Murphy

24 May 2007

MST3K (closing thoughts)

One year ago, I asked in my opening thoughts: "Does MST3K have legs? Will it be funny in the future? Or, when I try to show episodes to my future kids in 2018, will they force me to turn it off?" The answer: yes and no. What I suspected before beginning this project turned out to be true: MST3K was an uneven show. As I watched the episodes in production order, I noticed that it wasn't uncommon for one of the best to be followed by one of the worst. Before watching any of the episodes I hadn't seen before -- which was most of them -- I never knew if I was going to be laughing loudly or fighting sleepiness. A graph of my ratings for each episode shows the seismic-like peaks and valleys of my opinion of the show's run. The x-axis is the episode number (1-195, AKA K04-1013) and the y-axis is my rating.

Ratings for each MST3K episode

As a general rule, the show improved over time. The black, angled line is the trend in my ratings. Starting around a rating of 6, the show ended somewhere north of 7. Still, later seasons were in no way immune to bad episodes, even if the later shows were less of a comedy crap-shoot.

But, will the show be funny in the future? It already is the future, as far as a show canceled nearly eight years ago that began life nearly two decades ago is concerned. As I found it funny more often than not, the short answer would be: yes, it's funny in the future.

The long answer: likely less humorous as more years go by. The show's reliance on pop cultural references will slowly make a portion of the jokes incomprehensible to future viewers. Any references lost to the viewer are essentially holes in the riffing. This can have a serious impact on how funny an entire episode seems to you. I found that the best MST3K episodes would get some comedy momentum going. The episode would build from belly laugh to belly laugh, never letting too much time pass before another good zinger arrived. If enough of those zingers were references to decades-old pop culture that merely whizzed over your head, you're going to lose that momentum of laughter. You'll end up spending as much time scratching your head in puzzlement as you will laughing. That's not generally what people crave when viewing comedy.

I'm not saying that the show should've been created reference-free. It would've never had gained its cult following without its references. Obscure references that fans caught made them feel special. "Wow, they know about that? They're like me!" This was an important part of the show's early popularity, as seen in the interviews with fans in the This is MST3K special.

At any rate, my sense is that the show became less dependent on references as it went on. Many of Joel's episodes would upset me by harping on unrelated-to-the-movie famous people, or toys from the 1960s I can't possibly have fond memories of, or riffs about seldom-rerun TV shows canceled long before I was born. Mike's episodes didn't have this problem as often. In the interview with Mike and Kevin found on the 1003 disc in Rhino's Volume 5 set, Mike states that they really tried to keep the comedy as timeless as possible. I'm guessing his influence in this matter increased significantly after Joel's departure. My feeling is that the Sci-Fi era episodes will be more watchable to the crazy kids of 2018 than the Comedy Central ones.

Then again, I could just be sensitive to things "not of my time." This graph shows my average rating for each season in yellow, and the average year for the movies used in each season in purple. Outside of the KTMA shows, there's a disturbing correspondence between the average newness of a season's movies and the average highness of my ratings.

Average rating vs average year per MST3K season

In my defense, before discovering MST3K, the bad movies of the 1970s and 1980s were always my favorite. I watched countless Troma and Full Moon movies in my youth and would often rent (or buy) movies purely because they had a stupid title. Perhaps like Boomers, who revel in the rubber-suited, visible-zipper monsters movies of their '50s youths, bad movies from the '70s and '80s are nostalgic comfort food for me.


Below is a graph showing how many episodes I watched per week. My schedule was relatively simple: I needed to watch 4 episodes per week for three weeks and then watch 3 episodes in the fourth week. Repeat that thirteen times and add one last episode to complete the series. In reality, I only managed to do this for first four weeks and the last five. Other than that, I was either trying to get ahead in time for a specific event, or slacking off.

Number of MST3K episodes watched per week

Keeping at this thing until the very end wasn't as easy as it may sound. Watching 3.75 episodes per week doesn't sound like much, but, added up, the entire process ate into my free time quite a bit. Each episode was a little more than 1.5 hours long. After the episode, I would read its entry in the ACEG and then start writing my blog post. As pathetic as it sounds, it would often take me close to an hour to get one of these bits of fluff written and formatted. On a typical day in which I would watch an episode after getting home from work, I'd find it to be 8pm (and dark out, in the winter) by the time I was done... if I was lucky enough not to run into a dead DVD-R. Towards the end, I began watching episodes during lunch "hour" at work. This was probably the only way I was able to finish; I was plain sick of donating 2.5 hours of my free time to this thing every other day.

Undoubtedly, the slow but inevitable slide this project made from "play" to "work" affected my enjoyment of certain episodes. Some that I gave low ratings to I'll certainly give another shot; I haven't closed the book on too many of them, despite what I may have said here. But not for a while.


I was going to follow this project up with a more relaxed "MST4K Chronocinethon." In that, I was going to watch Mike's Legend Films commentaries, Star Wait, Cheap Seats, and all of the RiffTrax and Film Crew releases. That ain't gonna happen anymore. I'm all riffed out at the moment. As well, Mike's RiffTrax releases are coming out way too damned often. I just don't have the energy to buy the track, buy/rent the DVD, rip the DVD, convert the track and the audio from the DVD to WAV, carefully merge the track with the audio from the DVD, render the resulting audio file, convert it to AC3, throw it all in DVD Studio and burn a DVD-R -- all once a week. I can't be dedicating that much time to such a thing at this point in my life.

Also, I hate to admit, I don't think I'm really behind the idea of "more riffing from the MST3K guys!" anymore. Even before I read this interview with Trace Beaulieu by Quick Stop Entertainment, I'd come to a similar conclusion about the idea:
QS: How do you view things like Mike’s RiffTrax project, or The Film Crew? Have you ever felt the urge to do something like that again?

BEAULIEU: Not riffing. Not movie mocking or anything like that. Joel and Josh and I did a little thing… what was it… Star Wait… And we were riffing on footage that a guy had shot of these Star Wars fans waiting for the movie to open. At first it was kind of weird being back with Joel and Josh and mocking something. That had its own strangeness to it. But I realized that without that character, I really didn’t have a reason to mock anything. I actually kinda like stuff. People have talked about, “Oh, you know you should do that again.” It’s like, “Well we did it.” I mean, that’s kind of why I left, was like, “I got it. I did that thing already.” And I haven’t seen what Mike and those guys have done.
Again, I hate to say it, but a part of me kind of feels bad for Mike. I feel like this talented comedian has gotten himself stuck on the SOL all over again. He's already done that. He's already been there. The ending of 1013 was supposed to be funny, not a curse. I feel like Mike's been typecast as "that movie riffer guy" and this is the only creative avenue open to him. I dunno. Maybe I'm way off and riffing movies again is like going home for him. I guess I'd just rather see the guy working on new and different projects with that creative noggin' of his, is all.


And, finally, what of my answer to the eternally controversial question: which host was better? Easy. It's Joel.

This may seem like an odd choice, given all the praise I've heaped on the Sci-Fi era and Mr. Nelson above. Before starting this project, I was much more familiar with the Sci-Fi episodes. Those, I had been taping from the reruns and watching randomly. That's the era I was most comfortable with going into this thing. Looking back, my ratings for the Mike seasons were generally higher than those for Joel years. Of the 7 episodes I rated a nine (my highest MST3K rating), I gave 5 of those Mike shows. Mike's clearly a better actor, too, with a confident screen presence and impeccable comedic timing.

But, none of that really matters when picking a favorite. I just liked Joel's personality better. His credo says it all: "I'm weird and that results in creativity." Joel was bursting at the seams with ideas. He was the invention exchange man from the Gizmonic Institute. He gave us rainy day ipecacs and mixed drink recipes. He showed us what the bridge would look like underwater. He brought props into the theater and interacted with the screen. Who can ever forget "Joey the Lemur"?

I also like the less-than-polished aspect of Joel's show. In Joel's MST3K, Crow's net would randomly fall off and they'd roll with it. People could sneeze and balloons could pop and it wouldn't matter. The camera was simply pointed straight at the SOL's brightly lit bridge. No neon colors or fancy Dutch angles. It was what it was: a low-budget puppet show with bad movies and goofy sketches.

It was Joel, I'm sure, who was responsible for early MST3K's down-home feel. The KTMA episodes had the entertaining and intimate voicemails from fans. No host segment in the cable era could ever beat the one from K06 when a kid called to invite Joel and the bots to his birthday party and Joel responded by putting up a happy birthday banner on the SOL. The voicemail was eventually converted into fanmail, but those had their own charm. Joel would show drawings and photos people would send in, read their letters, answer their questions and hold contests to name a character from a movie or think of other ways to kill a giant monster. The show wasn't just this thing created in a vacuum by ascetic monks; it was just a couple of states away in Minnesota and you could write 'em a letter if you wanted.

Plainly put, Joel was MST3K's spirit. In the years that followed his departure, the show became more polished and the writing of the riffing improved, but it also lost some of its warmth.


My favorite episode for each season:

KTMA: The Legend of the Dinosaurs
The guys were at the top of their unscripted game by the time this episode aired, their final show for TV-23. It's funnier and easier to watch than nearly every season one episode to follow it.

One: Robot Holocaust
Having one fewer episodes of a crappy serial to bog it down, this ep just edges out 107 as my pick for the first cable season. A mush-mouthed villainess and a robot lobster were great grist for Joel and the bots' riff mill.

Two: Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster
The only giant monster movie I really liked, perhaps due to its lack of annoying children. Joel's "Space Madness" host segment is one of the best of the series.

Three: Pod People
The near-perfect marriage of a ridiculous movie with spot-on riffing and a bucket full of hilarious host segments. Joel's best.

Four: Manos: The Hands of Fate
Not a terribly original pick, but this episode is an example of MST3K at its best: it has the power to make an unwatchable movie watchable (something they tried and failed with during the Coleman Francis flicks). Also, Torgo is Mike's all-time best character (even counting Mike Nelson).

Five: Outlaw
An award-winning episode for a reason. I think the "Tubular Boobular" song may be my favorite from the show.

Six: The Creeping Terror
MST3K was made for this movie: an alien piece of carpet stalks and eats teenagers while occasionally having carnal relations with an auto. One of those great-bad movies that MST3K brought to my attention.

Seven: Laserblast
My kind of movie: a low-budget, '80s sci-fi/horror flick involving Charles Band. It also made for a great (almost) final episode for the show.

Eight: Space Mutiny
Hijinks aboard a spaceship/boiler room involving a multi-named, muscle-bound fraidy cat and a guy trying to push his face out of its skin. Mike's best.

Nine: Werewolf
It's real hard to go wrong with a Joe Estevez vehicle. Count the different werewolf makes for added fun.

Ten: Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders
Ernest Borgnine scaring his grandson with tales of murdered pets, abusive husbands and an old man in dire need of a shave and a haircut.



The Final Numbers
Total Length
13 days, 1 hour, 33 minutes, 30 seconds
(94 min average for 195 episodes)
(29 min average for 18 specials)
(3.6% of a year)

Years Spanned
1942-1995
(1966 average)

Shorts Years Spanned
1936-1973
(1951 average)

Time to Watch
365 days
Time to Broadcast Originally
3941 days
Speed
10.8x

Total Episodes with Joel's Goatee
207, 208, 209, 307, 410, 1001 (3.1%)
Crow and Tom's Dead Brothers
XT-5000, Minsky, Destroyer
Contests
Name the Vegetable Guy
Name that Cool Thing We Never Showed Flying Outside of the SOL
Other Ways to Snuff Gaos
Kenny, What Gives?

Other Kinds of Nunchucks
What's a Sampo?
Black and White to Color Ratio
84:111



Joel vs. Mike
1795 days (4 years, 11 months) vs. 2109 days (5 years, 9 months, 10 days)
107 movies (98 unique), 36 shorts vs. 91 movies, 23 shorts

KTMA vs. The Comedy Channel / Comedy Central vs. Sci-Fi Channel
1 season vs. 7 seasons vs. 3 seasons
21 movies, 0 shorts vs. 128 movies, 56 shorts vs. 48 movies, 3 shorts
21 movies/year vs. 18 movies/year vs. 16 movies/year
1973 average vs. 1963 average vs. 1971 average
none vs. 5 Turkey Days vs. 1 pseudo-Turkey Day
none vs. 1 awards special vs. 3 awards specials


S'long, MST3K! Thanks for the year of laughs.

17 May 2007

MST3K (season ten closing thoughts)

Goodbye, season ten.

Jason in a comment said that he thinks the crew found out about their cancellation during 1004. I can see it. The first three episodes of the season were very strong. I was hoping to see the show go out at a full gallop. When 1004 hit: averageville for the rest of the year. It was a bit disappointing, but understandable all the same.

I think this season's host segments were probably the worst of the entire series. Though, even to the very end I still looked forward to the break from the movie they provided, next to none of them ever got me to laugh. Also throughout the season, they kept throwing out implications that Brain Guy was secretly gay. I guess that -- given his prissy accent -- I can see how that idea came about. Still, this doesn't seem like MST3Kish humor to me (especially the host segment with the rest stop condoms from 1011). Then again, that tack worked pretty well for two entire characters on Arrested Development.

I really liked the movie selection for this year, though. Cheezy, 1950s-style horror movies were kept to a bare minimum of one. There was a return to the late-1960s troubled youth genre, which we hadn't seen in years. One episode was a daring experiment, which I appreciated. All but four movies were horror/sci-fi films from the '70s, '80s and '90s: my very favorite decades for bad movies. It was the season of MST3K riffing on the type of crap the Sci-Fi Channel normally plays late at night, anyway. In a strange way, that brings the show full circle to its roots at KTMA where they did exactly the same thing.

Next: closing thoughts for the whole series. But, first, I need a few days of distance. Luckily, camping this weekend will provide that.


The Numbers

Total Length
21 hours, 9 minutes, 55 seconds
(92 min average for 13 episodes)
(77 min average for 1 special)

Years Spanned
1960-1995
(1977 average)

Shorts Years Spanned
1940

Time to Watch
24 days
Time to Broadcast Originally
161 days
Speed
6.7x

Attack of the Giant Chin
1001, 1004 (15%)
Attack of the Were-
-fish 1005, -mooninite 1007, -bat 1010, -spider 1011, -worm 1012 (38%)
Black and White to Color Ratio
2:11

MST3K (LDR)

The Last Dance - Raw - And raw it is. This is just Jim's camcorder footage of the shooting of 1013. While we get to see tons of Best Brains that we've never seen before (interns closing the theater doors from behind the set, the famous lunch service, etc.), it's also quite tedious at times. It's a Poopie 3 made of just one episode. See Bill flub a line! See him flub it again! And again! See Kevin call cut!

In other words, it could've used some editing to become "slightly cooked." Cut it down, add in some interviews with the cast after they've wrapped and this would've been a nice little documentary about the end of an era. Instead, it feels more like a post-cancellation cash-in.

It was on the right track when it was behind-the-scenes. Showing Kevin being encased in a monkey mask or him expertly threading a new head on a Servo puppet were the most interesting types of bits. Take after take of host segments I've just seen… not so much.

And, is this what I think it is?



Around the 1 hour mark in the tape, it sounds like -- under his breath but still caught by the camera microphone -- Jim says "show your chest" to Beez (who has her back to him). Am I hearing it wrong? Maybe it was someone else in the background giving instructions to one of the actors on set? If not -- yeesh.

"Special thanks to Eli for being in the trench" (6/10)

mst d. Jim Mallon (Holiday 1999)

MST3K (1013)

1013 - Diabolik - "Well, I'm sorry if you're offended by my random murders." I'm sorry, but I wasn't on Diabolik's side for this one, no matter the intensions of the filmmakers. He was kind of a jerk. I was rooting for dumb-as-nails Ginko the whole way, cool as it may or may not be to roll around in money with a naked girl. Still, it was better than Agent for H.A.R.M., the only other Sci-Fi era movie vaguely in the same genre.

The riffing was pretty much on par for season 10. I didn't detect any extra humorosity injected into the goings-on for this special episode. The host segments were just some tying-things-up goings-on; not terribly special. I think I probably agree with some fans out there that 706 made for a better final episode. Though, I do like the fact that Mike and bots got back to Earth after so many years.

The final host segment, in which Mike and the bots find themselves with nothing better to do than watch The Crawling Eye in their shared apartment, turned out to be prophetic. With their RiffTraxes and their The Film Crewes, Mike, Kevin and Bill are essentially sitting on a couch and watching bad movies all over again. I'll write about that more, later.

Kevin-as-Tom's last word: "Hmm." Kevin-as-Bobo's last word: "(monkey noises)." Bill-as-Crow's last word: "it." Bill-as-Brain Guy's last word: "way." Mike's last word: "in." Mike was trapped on the Satellite of Love for 2109 days (5 years, 9 months, 10 days) and watched 91 movies and 23 shorts. Pearl's last word: "am." Pearl Forrester tortured the residents of the SOL for 919 days (2 years, 6 months, 8 days) and forced them to watch 48 movies and 3 shorts.

"You smell like a tire store." (7/10)

film d. Mario Bava (1967)
mst d. Kevin Murphy (8 Aug 1999)

15 May 2007

MST3K (1012)

1012 - Squirm (w/ A Case of Spring Fever) - "No springs! *bwee-bwoo*" The last very last short of the series and it's a good one. They've been waiting to do this short for 8 years now. I'm glad they squeezed it in at the last minute. It feels like ages and ages since the last, real educational short. Industrial shorts are fine, but these mini-films created to illuminate the minds of children are the best. This one is particularly psychotic. Even discounting the bizarre cosmology of the piece -- "Where does Coily fit into God's plan for us?" -- the fact the more than half of the short is the post-Coily old man endlessly preaching the wonders of springs to his friend makes it strange enough. Was this a huge problem with the youth of 1940? Did they not like springs for some reason? Was the spring industry in trouble should a generation grow up disdaining their necessary, vital product? I can only assume this is the case. With that said, enjoy The Simpsons parody involving the importance of the 30th element:



Squirm is pretty cool. Give it to the filmmakers: no one ever thought to make a horror movie about earthworms before. That a "live bait" stop in the backwoods of the South could be a place of horror: brilliant. Then again, I'm partial to films set in the country starring decidedly non-movie star-like people.

It seems to me that Servo dressed up and spoke like a southern belle once before. I know that there's twice been really tall things on the bridge of the SOL before Crow wore his enormous platform shoes in this episode. Mike's really, really big hair and Crow's mile high pie come to mind. It's the second-to-last episode. Go with what kinda worked before, I guess.

"So, one clod says one thing and the whole world pays?" (7/10)

film d. Jeff Lieberman (1976)
short p. Jamison Handy (1940)
mst d. Kevin Murphy (1 Aug 1999)